Re: http://www.ietf.org/maillist.html contains old NOTE WELL text

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On Dec 17, 2008, at 10:16 AM, Simon Josefsson wrote:

Webmaster,

Julian noticed that this page contains the old NOTE WELL text.
According to:

http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg05509.html

The new NOTE WELL text have been updated.

It will be updated today.

Ray




Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@xxxxxx> writes:

Simon Josefsson wrote:
...
The NOTE WELL refers to BCP 78 so it is has already been extended to
cover the new expanded rights, hasn't it?
...

As of today, <http://www.ietf.org/maillist.html> states:

All IETF Contributions are subject to the rules of RFC 3978 (updated by RFC 4748) and RFC 3979(updated by RFC 4879).

Statements made outside of an IETF session, mailing list or other function, that are clearly not intended to be input to an IETF activity, group or function, are not IETF Contributions in the context of this notice.

Please consult RFC 3978 (and RFC 4748) for details.

So there's no mention of BCP 78, nor of the new RFC.

Sigh.

And even if there was, I would have thought that a change of the IPR
rules would require a notification to be sent to all official mailing
lists -- otherwise how would the average IETF contributor ever know
about this change???

By reading ietf-announce and the notification of RFC 5378, I suppose.

However, I don't think that meets the legal requirement that every
participant should have "reasonable" been exposed to the text. Posting
the new text to every list reduces the IETF's liabilities here, when
someone argues they have not seen the NOTE WELL text.

I think it is clear that participants at IETF 73 have not reasonable
seen the new NOTE WELL since that text wasn't (as far as I know)
available at that time. In fact, I still do not know where the new NOTE
WELL is available from...  In fact, searching for "note well rfc 5378"
doesn't result in anything useful.

/Simon
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