> Maybe it's just me, but I'll take the evidence presented by > someone who has access to the operational statistics for a > mail system that services 10s of millions of end users and > handles thousands of outsourced email setups over someone > like myself who runs a tiny little setup any day. Then the IETF is the wrong place to look for help. The IETF does not give a lot of priority to documenting operational practices. You really should be looking here <http://www.maawg.org/about/publishedDocuments> And given that MAAWG exists and does a good job of publishing email operational best practices, I wonder why people are so worried that the IETF does not do so. > You might want to review the actual discussion before making > such claims. And while you're at it you might also want to > explain how it would be possible to get views that are, to a > close first approximation, summed up as "DNSBLs are evil > incarnate" on board. To begin with, the draft authors could have tried to incorporate those views into the Security Considerations section, since when you scratch the surface of the "DNSBLs are evil" opinions you will most often find anecodtes about lost or blocked email. Simply ignoring those views will not get you to consensus. --Michael Dillon _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf