Hi Eric, I would like to be part of that group. My little network is connected to the internet via a NAT router and I could not live without it because daily renumbering wont do. On the other hand that NAT-box is the biggest obstacle between my network and IPv6. I would like to help design a NAT that is not an obstacle but a stepping stone. Kind regards Peter Eric Klein wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 7:07 AM, Fred Baker <fred@xxxxxxxxx > <mailto:fred@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: > > > On Nov 21, 2008, at 9:39 PM, Tony Hain wrote: > > The discussion today in Behave shows there is very strong > peer-pressure group-think with no serious analysis of the long > term implications about what is being discussed. > > > Yes, there is a very clear anti-NAT religion that drives a lot of > thought. It's not clear that any other opinion is tolerated. > > > Fred, > > I pesonally would be open to a real discussion about the needs and then > about the solution. But for now NAT has taken on religious connotations > with those who are for it being as single minded as those who are > against it. > > We need a team made up of both sides to sit down, spell out what are the > functions of NAT (using v4 as a basis) and then to see if: > 1. If they are still relevant (like number shortage from v4 is not the > same issue under v6 for example) > 2. Do they already exist in v6 without adding NAT > > Then we need to check: > 1. Is there is a solution by using NAT > 2. Is there is a better solution than using NAT > > Only then can we make a proper and informed decission on what is needed > and what is unneeded legacy. > Eric > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf -- Peter and Karin Dambier Cesidian Root - Radice Cesidiana Rimbacher Strasse 16 D-69509 Moerlenbach-Bonsweiher +49(6209)795-816 (Telekom) +49(6252)750-308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) mail: peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.peter-dambier.de/ http://iason.site.voila.fr/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/iason/ _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf