>>>>> "Joe" == Joe Touch <touch@xxxxxxx> writes: Joe> I was wondering about that; it seems inconsistent to have Joe> this document require something that is optional in RFC 4301. I suspect you realize this, but some people following the discussion may not. It's critical to this mechanism that intermediate systems be able to read the sensitivity level. You can either do hop-by-hop SAs using either ESP-null or AH, or end-to-end SAs using AH or ESP/null plus one of the fixes so you can determine that a packet is ESP-null rather than ESP-encrypted. Note that if you are talking about end-to-end SAs you need to either explain why the intermediate systems don't need to be able to confirm the integrity of the label, or you need to address Steve Bellovin's concerns. --Sam _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf