Hi. Since RFC 5321 (2821bis) has apparently just been posted, I went back to review what 2026 says about the Draft -> Full Standard waiting period. What is says is that (Section 6.2) A specification shall remain at the Draft Standard level for at least four (4) months, or until at least one IETF meeting has occurred, whichever comes later. That is fairly clear except it doesn't really identify the time at which the clock starts running. The previous section appears to answer that question, but it sort of hits the jackpot. What it says is: 6.1.3 Publication If a standards action is approved, notification is sent to the RFC Editor and copied to the IETF with instructions to publish the specification as an RFC. The specification shall at that point be removed from the Internet-Drafts directory. An official summary of standards actions completed and pending shall appear in each issue of the Internet Society's newsletter. This shall constitute the "publication of record" for Internet standards actions. The RFC Editor shall publish periodically an "Internet Official Protocol Standards" RFC [1], summarizing the status of all Internet protocol and service specifications. So, we no longer remove documents from the I-D directory when the Protocol Action notice is issued and the RFC Editor notified. We don't have the Internet Society Newsletter contemplated by the second paragraph, so it can't be the "publication of record". And we have dropped STD0001 as a frequently-updated publication. So, one question is when does the clock start? The other question, to which 2026 does not appear to address itself at all, is whether a Last Call can be initiated within that four-month period or whether it has to wait until the four months is up. Plausible candidates for clock-starting would appear to be: (1) When the IESG signs off and the Protocol Action Notice is issued. The IESG signed off on this on 22 July and the Notice was issued on 24 July (not enough different to be worth worrying about). If that is the relevant date, then, since the IETF met the following week, it would be possible to process 2821ter/5321bis to Full Standard any time after 24 November and I should optimally get an I-D posted sometime this month (early this month if it is possible to start a four-week Last Call around the 24th of October). (2) The publication date of record for the RFC. That date could be the RFC Index date, in which case we have a month, not a day, and it isn't clear whether that month is included in the four or not. Or it could be the date of the actual announcement, which is today, since that just appeared, date-stamped "01 October, 2008 16:15 -0700". That would imply an earliest processing date of 1 February, an earliest Last Call date (see above) of 1 January and that I should have a draft up in December or perhaps around the time of IETF 73. Opinions (or an IESG decision) welcome, as would be an indication of whether I really need to write an I-D that modifies 2026 to resolve this question and whether the IESG would be prepared to process such an I-D. john _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf