Spencer Dawkins wrote: > Not all the process proposals of the 2003-2005 era were useless, IMO... The issue was never really about potential utility. There were a heck of a lot of very good and pragmatic proposals then. The issue has always been about getting consensus to make specific changes, rather than having them die the death of a thousand claimed imperfections. If the community truly wants changes, there will be changes. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf