> > > I agree with Joel. We're trying to give instructions to the Trust that >> cover the broadest possible user base; calling out specific licenses >> or user bases either appears to privilege them or adds no value at >> all. Suggesting to the Trustees that they consider specific licenses >> or, even better, pointing their lawyers at the potholes others have >> hit would be very useful. But this draft is not the place to do it. > >I believe the document is the place to do it. This is the only document >were the IETF explains how the Trust should write its outgoing software >license for code in RFCs. Useful considerations for that process should >go into the document. > >My proposed text does not suggest specific licenses. That is a >misunderstanding. Simon, The list of potentially useful considerations in this arena is both long and ever-changing. Imagine, for a moment, that I suggested that the Trust survey the legal departments of every organization which had sponsored a nomcom-eligible participant in the IETF over the past 3 years asking, if the proposed license was usable by their organization. In some lights, this is a pretty reasonable suggestion. These are organizations with a demonstrated interest in our output, and surveys can be a useful tool even when response rates are low. Why not confirm that we are meeting the needs of core participants? The answer, basically, is that we want the output to be usable by anyone, and privileging the people who pay kind of misses the point. We are giving instructions to the Trust to do the best job they can in making sure that the output is usable by anyone for any purpose, no matter whether they belong to group A, group B, or won't know for many years that they'll have an interest at all. As for how to get in touch with them, trustees of the trust are the IAOC. The IAOC's membership is listed here: http://iaoc.ietf.org/members_detail.html I am sure they will listen carefully to your concerns and will consider the issues you raise. regards, Ted _______________________________________________ IETF mailing list IETF@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf