--On Saturday, 29 March, 2008 09:33 +0200 Pekka Savola <pekkas@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >... >> It seems there are two ways of looking at this: >> >> (1) AAAA records in the IPv6 world should do exactly same >> things as A records in the IPv4 world, so SMTP should look >> for an AAAA record in the absence of an MX record, just as A >> records are used in the absence of MX records. >> >> (2) Although some SMTP servers will continue to be found >> through A records for legacy reasons, there is no longer a >> good reason for any new server not to have a published MX >> record. SMTP clients (senders) will, of course, need to >> continue to look up A records, but since there is currently >> no significant use of AAAA records for email routing, we >> should not perpetuate this legacy in IPv6 as it is in IPv4. >... > I agree with Jim's characterization and IMHO both positions > are reasonable. > > I also prefer (2) because I don't think the original "A > fallback" was meant to stay there very long and we just never > got around to deprecating that feature. If you ask a random > sampling of postmasters and DNS domain owners, I doubt many > would even remember right off the bat that such a fallback > exists. Based on some small experience with email deployment and operations, I believe that you are wrong. Indeed, if you asked a random sampling of those groups --remembering that there are a huge number of SMTP servers in the world, only a tiny fraction of which are professional operations and with an even smaller fraction being large-scale, carefully-managed production ones, you might discover that many of them had forgotten that there was such a thing as an MX record and how to set it up. >... > Additionally I believe this is not an issue we as the IETF > should get stuck at for a longer period. Reaching closure, > whichever decision it is, in the timescale of a couple of > months, is IMHO better than a very strong consensus on the > approach. Months? To paraphrase something Ned said much more elegantly, I think you severely underestimate the degree to which people are fed up with this revision of this document and the processes that drag it out. This issue was raised after the second Last Call closed. It is important enough that it was worth some additional time to be sure that the broader community had considered the issue. That has clearly occurred. While I think there is fairly clear consensus that the issue needs to be resolved and documented clearly (although there are dissenters even from that), I don't believe that I seen any evidence of anyone who had a strong position changing his or her mind since the discussion started, nor have I seen a new argument presented after the first few days. Certainly, one could go around this loop for months, with people repeating themselves in ever-louder ways, but do you really think that would move us forward or result in a better or clearer consensus? IMO, it is time to decide and move on. Like several others, I think it is more important to decide than what the decision is. Days would be good. Maybe a week or so is tolerable. But certainly not months. john (Speaking as a frustrated editor who volunteered for a quick project well over a year ago) _______________________________________________ IETF mailing list IETF@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf