Hate to say it, but the Subject says it all: If you reject *any* standard that infringes on *any* patent, you will be rejecting *standards*. PLEASE talk to a real lawyer before playing one. Just about everything dealing with communications and computing has *some* encumbrance. Since it is expired, it is safe to talk about this example: You invent a really great voice coding algorithm. It is a huge improvement to, but based on, PCM. Guess what - that violates the original PCM patent. Substitute PCM for most any basic technology, and you will most likely be disappointed to see someone has a lock on it. Is this a good thing? Probably not. Is it right? Probably not. Does it promote new technologies? May or may not. Is it the law? Most definitely, now world-wide given the U.S. is now more harmonized with the rest of the world. As we say in the IETF when someone raises an objection: Please write text. If you do not like the encumbered technology in the Housely draft, please submit a draft that you are willing to indemnify to us is not encumbered. If one cannot do something positive, please figure out a way to do something positive. Leaving us without a protocol to do this function is not positive. Thanks. On 10/18/07 5:47 PM, "Karl Berry" <karl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I ask you to reject > http://tools.ietf.org/wg/tls/draft-housley-tls-authz-extns-07.txt > from the experimental track, as it was rejected on the official track. > A standard that can only be implemented with permission of and payment > to a software patent holder is no standard at all. > > As you know so well, software patents have no place in public standards. > > Thank you for the chance to comment, and all your efforts! > > Karl Berry (programmer) > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf Notice: This email message, together with any attachments, may contain information of BEA Systems, Inc., its subsidiaries and affiliated entities, that may be confidential, proprietary, copyrighted and/or legally privileged, and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named in this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please immediately return this by email and then delete it. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf