On Wed, Sep 19, 2007 at 12:50:44AM +0000, Paul Vixie <paul@xxxxxxx> wrote a message of 32 lines which said: > in the IETF, the naysayers pretty much kick the consenting adults' > asses every day and twice on sunday. and that's the real problem > here, i finally think. Time to have a formal representation of end-users at the IETF? http://patrick.vande-walle.eu/internet/how-can-the-engineering-community-and-the-users-meet/ (My personal worry about this proposal is that there is zero organisation of end-users at this time. ALAC, mentioned by Vande Walle, is a complete failure.) _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf