As the administrator of several small networks, it is quite simple. By re-writing the address, the NAT is a defacto default deny. I have a lot more trust in the simplicity of a basic NAT in a consumer firewall then I do in any firewall which has to examine each packet for conformance to complex policy rules. But, this misses the point I see in Phillips discussion... I read his ultimate proposal as: a. Stop bashing NAT, it provides value in the current network and has prevented a total meltdown which would have happened if every early OS were directly attached to the internet b. REPLACE NAT with a default deny infrastructure ... more than just a single FW choke point. On Mon, 2 Jul 2007, Melinda Shore wrote: > On 7/2/07 11:14 AM, "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" <pbaker@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > There is no other device that can provide me with a lightweight firewall for > > $50. > > Of course there is - the same device that's providing the NAT. > > NAT by itself is intrinsically policy-free, although it implements > policy as a side-effect. I'm unclear on why you think that a > default-deny policy is better implemented on a NAT than on a > firewall. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf