We trust the IESG not only to judge consensus but also to provide technical mentoring and leadership. We trust the IAB not only to arbitrate in case of disagreement about consensus but also to provide architectural insight and leadership. Yes, that gives them a special status. It's called 'primus inter pares'. Brian _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf