> If our consensus process is not independently and openly verifiable, we > might as well close shop! a hum in a WG meeting is subject to the perceptions of the people in the room but its not clear that a fully verifiable process is needed since we specifically try to do rough consensus not majority vote - all we need to be able to verify is that "most" people support a path - if a proposal gets blocked by a secret whisper in the ear of the WG chair then things are very broken indeed if the result of a secret whisper results in the chair brings up topics for public discussion I'm not all that worried Scott _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf