Sorry for the nonsubstantive content, but ... The Abstract of this draft refers to IEEE Std 802.3ah-2004. This was the output of the EFM task force, which completed its work several years ago. All content has been absorbed into the 2005 version of 802.3. In particular, generic issues on copper are in clause 61, 10PASS-TS is covered in clause 62 and 2BASE-TL is addressed in clause 63. Although the inclusion into the base standard is mentioned later on in the document, the precise clauses are not, and the 802.3ah nomenclature persists throughout the document. This behavior is similar to another forum insisting on referencing an Internet Draft, even after an RFC has been issued. Y(J)S _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf