Hi to all, At the SAAG meeting on Friday question has been raised about some provider of mail server software that violates certain rfcs. I don't know which one, but this is not important. Also, on the RRG meeting in saturday a provider has been mentioned that deaggregates it's network because of "security" gains. Probably there are other, not so drastic, examples of abuse of the work done by IETF. All that made me question myself, why there is no something like WiFi alliance that certifies products to be compliant with RFC's? This organization (or whatever) can also "certify" ISPs to comply with best practices etc. something like ISO does with ISO9001. It could also prohibit use of IETF sign and/or compliance claims in cases of (severe) violations. Finally, the money earned could be fed to ISOC, and to the IETF for it's expenses. Maybe topic has been discussed already on this list and/or maybe it's pointless and/or maybe it's for some other list, but I had to try anyway... So, please be gentle. :) Stjepan Gros _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf