RE: [PCN] Re: WG Review: Congestion and Pre-Congestion Notification(pcn)

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Hi Pekka

Regarding your following remark:

>However, to be clear, I have no objection to using the ECN field(s) if
>that does not hinder the current use (or lack thereof) of ECN. What I
>specifically don't want is to define new fields for PCN, especially
>extension headers or IP options.  I should have been clearer with my
>objection.

I assume that you also have no objection on using the DSCP fields for
this purpose.

Best regards,
Georgios


On 2/20/2007, "Pekka Savola" <pekkas@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Black_David@xxxxxxx wrote:
>>>> [logical components being:] encoding and transport along forward
>>>> path from marker to egress, metering of congestion information at
>>>> the egress, and transport of congestion information back to the
>>>> controlling ingress.
>>>
>>> I'd like to see it explicitly stated that transporting congestion
>>> information in the (metered) IP packets themselves is out of scope.
>>
>> Forward transport of the basic congestion information has to be in
>> scope as Fred has pointed out.  Backwards transport needs to be scoped
>> by application scenario - for example, backwards transport via SIP
>> is clearly out of scope for the initial PCN work.  OTOH, not specifying
>> how to actually move any of this information around would turn PCN
>> into the moral equivalent an IRTF Research Group, which (IMHO) would
>> be bad - at the end of the day, PCN needs to produce something that
>> actually works (need "running code" in addition to "rough consensus").
>
>It seems that are assuming the transport needs to happen in the packet
>itself.  While this is a possible approach, I don't see that it needs
>to be the only one.  For example, a mechanism where the mutually
>trusting network components would have another channel to convey this
>information (e.g., using SNMP, IPFIX, or the like) might also apply.
>
>However, to be clear, I have no objection to using the ECN field(s) if
>that does not hinder the current use (or lack thereof) of ECN. What I
>specifically don't want is to define new fields for PCN, especially
>extension headers or IP options.  I should have been clearer with my
>objection.
>
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>Pekka Savola                 "You each name yourselves king, yet the
>Netcore Oy                    kingdom bleeds."
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