Bob - depends on the meaning of "straw poll". Any vote that results in an action should be restricted to the 10 voting members. My understanding of "straw poll" is an opinion poll that results in no direct action. But I'm speculating and don't know what "straw poll" means in the context we're discussing. - Ralph On 11/7/06 5:40 PM, "Bob Hinden" <bob.hinden@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Danny, > >>> What!!!! The liaisons are there to provide additional >>> information, not directly influence the outcome. >>> >>> Do you have more information on this? If this is true, I think >>> the result from that Nomcom is questionable. I think this needs >>> to be investigated and the result be made public. >>> >>> I realize that we can't go back in time, but it needs to be clear >>> to current and future nomcom's that this is a major violation of >>> the nomcom process and should not be repeated. >> >> Not to further belabor Fred's point, but: >> >> You might consider the text in section 5(9) of RFC 3777: >> >> --------------------------- >> >> 9. All members of the nominating committee may participate in all >> deliberations. >> >> The emphasis of this rule is that no member can be explicitly >> excluded from any deliberation. However, a member may >> individually choose not to participate in a deliberation. > > True, but in Section 4, bullet 3, last paragraph: > > None of the Chair, liaisons, or advisors vote on the > selection of > candidates. They do vote on all other issues before the > committee unless otherwise specified in this document. > > In my view, having liaisons voting in straw polls is part of the > "vote on the selection of candidates" as it has the effect of > eliminating candidates. This is very different from > "deliberations". If wanted the liaisons to vote, we would have not > have included them in the above paragraph. > > The restriction on liaisons is repeated in bullet 7 of the same > section. Bullet 7 makes it clear the role of liaisons is to provide > information to the nomcom and to represent the interest of their > organizations, not to actually select the candidates. Again in my > view, participating in "straw polls" is voting and is a violation of > RFC3777. > > Regards, > Bob > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf