----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian E Carpenter" <brc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Ned Freed" <ned.freed@xxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: "John C Klensin" <john-ietf@xxxxxxx>; <iesg@xxxxxxxx>; "Robert Elz" <kre@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <ietf@xxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:50 PM Subject: Re: Last Call: 'Progressive Posting Rights Supsensions' toBCP (draft-carpenter-rescind-3683) > My head is spinning. > > The draft (ignoring 3683) restores 2418 <rant> No, it does not. I said so, others said so, and you do not get it. You are changing 2418; you may consider the changes trivial and of no consequence, others are concerned that they may turn out not to be (as happened with Wasserman). Previously, I commented on the clarifying clause about warnings off-list; I see that clause as useful, you see it as unnecessary. It is a change. 'Progress' has become 'process'; this suggests that if a WG 's process consists of going round in circles (quite common, actuallly) and I disrupt that in order to get some progress, then I should be banned, under Carpenter or Wasserman (but not under 2418). Ok, this is not so serious but it is a change. More seriously, Carpenter stops ADs from imposing 7-day suspensions; only Chairs can do that; why is irrelevant, Carpenter makes changes, Carpenter does not restore. etc etc </rant> So I am absolutely with kre and Ned Freed on this; originator of last call please note. Tom Petch. > and adds the extra powers > created by 3934. I've been told by the author of 3934 that removing > the powers created by 2418 was not intended (even though there is > no other way to read the words in 3934). So I think the question on > the table is: does the community want the union of the powers created > by 2418 and 3934? > > I can certainly agree that 4633, for its lifetime, seems to grant > at least these powers. But of course if we go that way, this discussion > will be back again in a year. > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf