> From: Keith Moore [mailto:moore@xxxxxxxxxx] > > My network, my rules. If you don't like them go to the > nearest Panera and use their free WiFi. > > > > If you want to connect to my network, my rules apply. > That's not arbitrary, that's my right and my choice. > > perhaps. but I don't see why the IETF should provide tools > to help you impose those rules - especially if to do so harms > the flexibility of the Internet. Because the architecture you propose is failed and unworkable. You are still stuck in the Internet of 1980, you are like the hippie who turns up at Aldermaston for the Ban the Bomb march with a sign saying 'ban the Gattlin Gun', possibly a relevant concern if the march was being held in 1910 but utterly irrelevant to the issue of the day. The Internet has a billion users and in the future it will be common for houses to have over a hundred network connected devices. Very few of those hundred network connected devices will or should be Internet connected. I do not care what you think I might need but I do not want to spend my time worrying whether Mr Coffee is hacking into the fridge or the microwave is hosting a kiddie porn site. The best way to stop such nonsense is to recognize what every mainstream security specialist working in the field recognized long ago - there is a difference between the network and the inter-network and connection to either is a privilege that should only be granted on the basis of need. Your political strategy is naïve and fragile. You mistake a tactic for a strategy. Insisting that every component that connects to any network be absolutely unrestricted in its capabilities is unworkable, unsustainable and violates the security principle of least privilege. It is a tactic that is doomed to failure. Your goal appears to be to ensure that individual Internet subscribers have unrestricted connectivity to the Internet. The appropriate strategy for that goal is a consumer reports type strategy, measure what is delivered, award seals of approval accordingly. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf