Eric I proposed a long time ago that we create a new IESG Role and was a Director of Liaisons and it of course, was shot down. Maybe in this more ... tolerant climate today (nasbcih) it should be reviewed again. Its likely to be one of the more powerful and long-term IETF/IESG role's as well IMHO... As to ISO people being here, ISO has always been friendly to the IETF but there does need to be a formal bridge between the entities. Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fleischman, Eric" <eric.fleischman@xxxxxxxxxx> To: "John C Klensin" <john-ietf@xxxxxxx>; "todd glassey" <tglassey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <ietf@xxxxxxxx> Cc: "Contreras, Jorge" <Jorge.Contreras@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 3:20 PM Subject: RE: I understand that there is an ISO MOU with the IETF- I want to see it... John, Please remember with me back to the mid-1990s when ISO sent official liaison reps to the IETF. The way I recall (perhaps incorrectly) things working back then was that from the ISO perspective, these were official liaison reps formally sanctioned according to ISO processes but from our perspective they were technical people representing themselves just like anybody else in the IETF. We still have liaison activities happening today. For example, at the NSIS WG meeting in Montreal, individuals mentioned the actions they were personally taking to keep NSIS in synch with specific 3GPP activities. My point being that just because we don't formally recognize liaisons doesn't mean that individuals do not perform informal liaison services on their own volition. --Eric -----Original Message----- From: John C Klensin [mailto:john-ietf@xxxxxxx] > I understand that there is a formal MOU between the ISO and the IETF > that talks about ISO's actions with regard to the reliance on IETF > Standards and RFC's. > > I want to physically see a copy of the document - in its entirety. To the best of my knowledge from either an IETF perspective or as a member of one or two of the mailing lists on which "ISO" would have needed to see comment, there is no such document or agreement. For such a thing to exist, there would almost certainly have to be a formal liaison agreement between IETF and either ISO or ISO/IEC JTC1 and that agreement doesn't exist either (although several of us have, over the years, attempted to make it happen). Where do you get these ideas? And please see my earlier comments about your "rights" in these issues generally and to make this type of demand, even if the agreement and documents did exist. john _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf