So then Ned you are saying that the Management of the IETF can say anything they want to on a list about several 'supposed' complaints and then act upon them without any due process or any recourse - Let me ask, do I annoy you that much that you would be willing to give up your rights to recourse in a dispute or to even functionally dispute something? Todd Glassey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ned Freed" <ned.freed@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Harald Alvestrand" <harald@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: "Theodore Tso" <tytso@xxxxxxx>; <ietf@xxxxxxxx>; "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" <jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 7:38 AM Subject: Re: Complaints and complainers (Re: [Nea] WG Review: Network Endpoint Assessment (nea)) > > Just FTR (and changing the subject, since this is not about NEA at all): > > > I agree with the principle that the sergeants-at-arms are obliged to > > make up their own minds about whether or not a posting is inappropriate, > > and that they are responsible for their own decisions. > > > Complaints are a means of calling their attention to a situation, > > nothing more. > > An IETF participant should not have to suffer rants and threats from a > > suspended person in his private email inbox just because he commented to > > a sergeant-at-arms that he found the person's postings offensive. > > > I think the sergeants-at-arms have made the right call. > > I agree with everything Harald says here. Analogies to court situations and the > notion of "facing your accuser" are IMO entirely inappropriate. A better > analogy is to the many mechansisms that exist in various other contexts for > providing tips, suggestions, recommendations and compliants. In many of these > cases anonymity is not only allowed, it is required. > > I don't think this is a case where anonymity is absolutely required, but > it is definitely beneficial. > > Ned > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf