Hi Ted - I've tried to stay out of this, since there has been too much comment. But, I'd like to amplify your point and some others I've heard. 1. I'm offended by Todd's repeated implication that Brian has lied to the IETF. That is an ad hominen attack and goes well beyond the stated purpose of this mailing list. 2. If somebody wants to change the way the nomcom process works, they should do what we did when the system was put in place: write a document and get consensus. The IETF is all about running code, and that includes "business processes." An I-D is the first step. Repeated attempts to bypass the process (e.g., by making up policy on the fly and posting it to the IETF list instead of writing an I-D) goes well beyond the stated purpose of this mailing list. 3. Repeated threats of legal actions, invocations of Jorge, and other tactics meant to bully participants do not qualify as reasoned discourse and do not contribute to the stated purpose of this mailing list. I would encourage our sergeant at arms and our leadership to take more active steps to keep discussion on the general mailing list on track. At the very least, discussants should be actively enouraged to move their discourse to more specialized mailing lists. Regards, Carl > On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 09:44:12AM -0700, todd glassey wrote: > > BRIAN - you have totally missed the point - No offense meant, but > > your personal word nor any other IETF/IESG staff member is what is not to > > be relied on - whether you are telling the truth or not is irrelevant - the > > process has a hole in it large enough to drive a Mack truck through. > > Todd, it's clear you don't have any faith in anyone on the IESG (they > aren't "staff", by the way, they are volunteers), but at the same > time, the vast majority of those who have spoken on this thread have > clearly expressed that they believe that all concerned were acting in > good faith, and that no harm was done. > > You may not believe that, but as a suggestion, your constant and > strident attacks quite frankly weaken your own credibility. So if you > do have a particular goal of changing how the IETF works, being a bit > more thoughtful about suggesting changes will tend to probably serve > your goals better than your current style of attacking people like > Brian and other IESG members. > > Regards, > > - Ted > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf