Re: what happened to newtrk?

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Pasi,

That's correct. But as you presumably know, RFC 3967
offers a way of dealing with that problem. See
http://www1.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/DownrefRegistry
for results so far.

   Brian

Pasi.Eronen@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
Brian,

Your description of the process omitted the most time-consuming part:
for {each normative reference}
     if {at lower maturity level AND downref acceptable}
then {write justification why downref is acceptable} else {repeat process recursively to bring reference to DS}

A while ago Tero Kivinen wrote a script for automatically finding the required documents; according to the script, to bring IPsec to DS you'd need to upgrade somewhere between 70 and 400 (if I recall correctly) documents. (The number is fuzzy because older documents didn't separate normative and informative references. And some of those references could be justified as acceptable downrefs or re-classified as informative.) Whatever the correct figure is (it's anyway dozens of documents), it's also quite obvious that nobody will ever do the process.

For RFC 2195 (an extension to IMAP), you'd probably need to bring IMAP to DS first.

Best regards,
Pasi


-----Original Message-----
From: ext Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 06 September, 2006 12:57
To: Frank Ellermann
Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: what happened to newtrk?



Okay, let's nail this, I like to see 2195 and 3464 as DS,
what exactly can I do ?

3464 is already DS according to the RFC Index.

For 2195, write and publish an interoperability report, and

if {all mandatory and optional features shown to interoperate}
    then {send a request to reclassify RFC 2195 to the IESG}
else {publish a draft-ellermann-2195bis with non-interoperable features removed};
         {send a request to approve it as DS to the IESG}

It's better if you find a willing AD first, and work with him or her instead of the IESG as group.

   Brian



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