> From: "todd glassey" <tglassey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > the NOMCOM process is also quite biased in that eliminates people who > don't attend the meetings but who may be of tremendous value to the > Program. Anyone who cannot afford the global travel required is > exempted from the process ... The NOMCOM process is neither fair nor > reasonable in a day and age where remote appearances are OK for most > any and all meetings. But pretty much any replacement is going to have the same issue - i.e. who is elegible to be part of the set of people who decide who the I* leadership is? E.g. if you get rid of the NomComm and substitute direct elections (something I'm opposed to, because we don't need more politics in the I* than we already have), then how do you decide who gets to vote? Anyone who's registered for any I* mailing list? That has all sorts of problems (including making packing a lot easier). Picking people who have attended N out of M of the last IETF's does indeed have some problems (and as someone who hasn't been to an IETF in a while, I'm fully aware of this downside), but it's not wholly non-functional: it does identify a large pool of people who have a demonstrated level of commitment. It also has a nice "bright line" quality to it. Also, this focus on whether the process is fair (or however one wants to characterize these complaints) is misplaced, and totally missing the point. What's important is whether or not the resultant governing system works (for whatever definition of "works" floats one's boat). If one thinks its not, one first needs to identify how it's not working, and then think of changes that will improve its *functionality*. Improving the "fairness" may sound appealing in a demagogic way, but it's basically orthagonal to what the real measure of any governing system ought to be. Noel _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf