Re: [IAOC] Re: RFC Editor RFP Review Request

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No Allison - contracts are not what happens when people deal in bad faith -
court battles are. Contracts are what happen when two or more parties want
the formal relationship between them defined and their roles and
responsibilities too.

More inline

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Allison Mankin" <mankin@xxxxxxx>
To: "Brian E Carpenter" <brc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Leslie Daigle"
<leslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "IETF Administrative Director" <iad@xxxxxxxx>; <ietf@xxxxxxxx>;
<iaoc@xxxxxxxx>; "Ted Hardie" <hardie@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; "John C Klensin"
<john-ietf@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [IAOC] Re: RFC Editor RFP Review Request


> >
> > As was said, that is still an open discussion, so I don't think we
> > can specify it today.
>
> I now see from the further discussion what some fault-lines are.
> My concern is that "Edit and publish as for IETF community documents"
> leaves open to the RFC Editor considerable latitude for how the
independent
> submissions appear in the broad community, for instance do they mimic
> standards documents?  Truth in advertising may need enforcement despite
> best intentions. Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote well that:
>
>  However, contracts are about what happens when someone you thought
>  would act in good faith fails to do so.
>
> Or perhaps, they are acting in good faith, but they are not effective -
> who's to remedy if there's a problem by the editor and the authors slip
> in specific effects [this could apply to the non-IETF streams in their own
> ways too].  Effective delineations are needed.
>
> In proposing the text above, I did not envision that IESG should
> control the issue - IAB has the purview for RFC Editor, as stated
> in RFC 2850 and other sources.  But I didn't think till Leslie's mail
> about IAB taking off their IETF hats so much when dealing with RFC Editor
> matters (having both non-IETF hats and IETF hats, as I read it).
>
> My main object is for the RFP to say to a prospective RFC Editor that
> the delineation of the independent submission series will be under the
> contract holder's management in some way, allowing input from the editor.

This is a very bad idea since it doesnt define those requirements - and no
one in their right mind would enter into a contract with the terms as
nebulous as this.

> I want to urge this just because the RFC series is shared by four
> streams.  In justifying this before, I've talked mainly about the IETF
> stream because it is the one I know the best, but I could also detail
> taking this care for the others.  Anyway, here's a revised proposal
> for the text:
>
>  NEW NEW:
>        1) Edit and publish with the same steps as IETF community
>           documents but with clear indications that these belong to
>           an independent series.  Specifics of these indications will
>           be developed and authorized by an appropriate party to
>           be determined, with input from the RFC Editor.
>
> [More explication: the authorizing party is TBD, but it is not specified
> as "IETF community"; the RFC Editor gives input rather than being
self-defining.]
>
>
> Allison
>
>
>
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