Dean - So then its the ISOC's formal process to officially refuse to comply with Safe Harbor, the US DMCA and the EU's Security Requirements for electronic processes? Cool - I am betting that means the US Government cannot participate with them too, right? By the way - what State's or Country's laws are the IETF's documents governed under and why is this not in any of the IETF's documents including the Solicitation RFP itself??? My favorite is the Affidavit which comes with a perjury clause in it with no statement of who's perjury laws were being used? US? Virginia? California? who's ??? Todd Glassey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Anderson" <dean@xxxxxxx> To: "Eliot Lear" <lear@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: "todd glassey" <tglassey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Thomas Narten" <narten@xxxxxxxxxx>; "Pete Resnick" <presnick@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Frank Ellermann" <nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Sam Hartman" <hartmans@xxxxxxx>; <ietf@xxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Response to the Appeal by [...] > This isn't true. The IETF, IESG, and IAB are activities of the ISOC. The > ISOC is incorporated. A suit against the IETF, IESG, IAB activities > names the ISOC. Losing such a suit, the ISOC complies with the court > orders, pays the damages, and ultimately controls the money spent on > IETF/IESG/IAB activities. > > --Dean > > On Thu, 20 Jul 2006, Eliot Lear wrote: > > > todd glassey wrote: > > > That requires a policy and approval by the ISOC - this is one of the onerous > > > failings of the ISOC as well.... that it let the IETF define its own > > > contractual processes and their recourse models. > > > > > > > > > > The IETF is a community trust, and the ISOC was formed to maintain that > > trust. The IETF let itself be governed by the ISOC on that basis, not > > the other way around. > > > > Eliot > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ietf mailing list > > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > > > > > -- > Av8 Internet Prepared to pay a premium for better service? > www.av8.net faster, more reliable, better service > 617 344 9000 > > _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf