And in this Standards IP portfolio should be all the communications used to vet it including the mailing list, meeting notes, RFC and ID's, and any other documents including Jabber Sessions. These all make up the evidence of the IETF's vetting and must be retained to prove the integrity of the IETF's processes... Interesting statement eh? - Think of the ramifications because they are pretty sweeping. True also - especially the part about the maintenance of the evidence process. IPR didn't want to hear about this - I am betting you don't either but its true Todd Glassey _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf