On the other hand, here's a document that we've been working on for a while, always producing text and ps/pdf due to the inclusion of graphical state machines: -rw-r--r-- 1 fenner fenner 290444 Jun 9 14:34 pimspec.pdf -rw-r--r-- 1 fenner fenner 340594 Jun 14 14:32 pimspec.txt Interestingly, the PDF is smaller. I didn't tweak anything to get this - this was the completely naive "create postscript from the nroff that generates the .txt" and "create pdf from that postscript" workflow that we've been using for years. On the other hand, I created what ghostscript (AFPL Ghostscript SVN PRE-RELEASE 8.55 (2006-05-20)) claims to be PDF/A (I have to assume it's -1B since groff doesn't output pdfmark annotations for headers and footers), and it's much larger: -rw-r--r-- 1 fenner wheel 1540094 Jun 19 13:18 pimspec-a.pdf since this one has embedded font subsets even though they're courier, times and symbol. Bill _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf