[ follow-ups to IETF discussion list please] Of the three possible ways forward suggested by this draft, I think that the only one that's likely to get done is this one: 1. Agree that, apart from day to day efforts to improve efficiency, the problems with the existing standards track are not serious enough to justify the effort needed to make substantial changes. Conclude that [RFC3774] exaggerated the problem and we only need to make a relatively minor set of clarifications to BCP 9 [RFC2026]. I say this because the newtrk WG has already tried to do the other two things that were suggested (focusing on document relationships and reworking the standards track) and failed. The deafening silence on the WG mailing list suggests to me that the energy has run out of this WG and it should be closed. I believe that two modifications (not clarifications) to RFC 2026 would suffice: - drop the expectation that a document will necessarily ever advance, and drop the requirement for periodic reviews of documents at PS or DS; - drop the "no normative downrefs" rule. This last should be done with an absolute minimum of fuss and with no imposition of requirements to put special notes in the documents about downrefs. If we can't agree on that, then I would settle for just the first modification. That would at least get our documented procedures more in line with the reality that we practice. Mike Heard _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf