Image attachments to ASCII RFCs (was: Re: Last Call: 'Proposed Experiment: Normative Format in Addition to ASCII Text' to Experimental RFC (draft-ash-alt-formats))

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--On Thursday, June 15, 2006 09:39 -0400 John R Levine <johnl@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

But one of the important criteria for an acceptable alternate
form, one which came up in the earlier discussion on this
list, is that the format be searchable.

In case it wasn't clear, my quite informal suggestion was that
one might attach a few GIF illusttrations to an ASCII
document, sort of like a paper book that has a few color
plates glued in the back.  I agree it would be nuts to put
text into GIF.

I continue to wonder whether what we should be doing here is not to invent a new normative document format, but to figure out how attach image-type figures to ASCII RFCs. "plates glued in the back" is almost exactly the same as the analogy I have been thinking about.

So, while I don't think this particular experiment, as described, is plausible, there are two ideas I'd like to see proposed, perhaps experimentally, for the future:

(1) A PDF approach, but with PDF carefully researched and profiled (to include searchability and copy-and-paste extraction in addition to stability and very wide availability for readers and formatters) and a back-out plan should the community not be happy about the experimental results.

(2) Some specific and well-thought out proposals for a "figure supplement" to RFCs with multiple figures in a single file, good naming conventions, and so on. A PDF file of figure-images might be the right thing to use; there might be better ones. But, as a strawman, we might have.

	    rfcNNNN.txt   (as now)  and
	    rfcNNNN-figs.pdf
	
	Where rfcNNNN.txt would contain things like
	
	    Figure 3. A Left Handed Foogle (please see
	supplement)
	with or without a rudimentary ASCII drawing.
	
	and rfcNNNN-figs.pdf would contain numbered and
	captioned figures, one per page.

There are probably better ways to do this -- I haven't thought through the details -- but I think that there is the core of an interesting idea in this.

It would _not_ be a small experiment: it implies changes to our archives, changes to indexing systems, more work for the RFC Editor in verifying that figure numbers, captions, and content were consistent between the ASCII RFC and the "plates", and so on. But it would appear to me to point to a way forward that would not share most of the disadvantages of normative PDF files.

       john

p.s. When I said "should not have been last-called" in a prior note, I wasn't trying to suggest that the _idea_ was obviously dead or bad. I was trying to suggest, instead, that, when an idea is discussed at length on the IETF list and a number of issues raised with it, it is normal for the IESG to insist that any version of the idea that is subsequently to be last-called address most of those issues in some substantive way. "We don't see X as a problem" may be appropriate; pretending (deliberately or by accidental omission) that X was not raised or discussed as an issue is usually not. The fraction of the Last Call discussion that essentially duplicates the discussions of some months ago is probably testimony to the wisdom of that principle.



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