> Behalf Of Frank Ellermann > Intentionally disrupting other running experiments or > breaking standards is also dubious. Not necessarily. One of the most important uses of Experimental is to document the minority position when a working group gets its cranium embedded in its posterior. In a significant number of cases the minority position has turned out to be right. In a consensus based organization it is very easy for a minority to prevent any change in the status quo simply by filibustering the proposed change. This is not a good thing when the status quo is failure to deploy for a decade or more. Experimental is also an essential safeguard to prevent the game of a WG with an unsuccessful protocol finding other groups to inflict it on. Given the impressive lack of success of BEEP vs SOAP it would be much better for the IESG to formally recognize that this attempt to ratify a 'me too' protocol in 9 months has backfired and is now harming IETF Web Services efforts. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf