> -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Crocker [mailto:dcrocker@xxxxxxxx] > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:14 PM > To: Hollenbeck, Scott > Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx; Ted Hardie > Subject: Re: IETF 65 BOF Announcement: Digital Identity Exchange (DIX) > > > > >> My immediate concern is that we know > >> better than to conduct > >> this sort of BOF in this sort of manner. > > > > What sort of manner is that, Dave? That's a serious > question. There is > > an open mailing list on which discussion has been taking > place since the > > Vancouver meeting. > > Sorry. I missed the ietf-wide announcement of that list, > made long enough ago > to permit extended online discussion, as a lead-in to this > BOF, to ensure > consideration from a wide variety of perspectives. > > That discussion would permit the BOF to take place with > enough community history > to make it possible to have a productive BOF. (I thought I > covered that concern > in my previous note.) > > Anyhow, please point me at the announcement, since the mere > existence of a list > that few know about does not mean much. (Based on the list > archive, and the > comments emerging now, I am not the only one who missed that > announcement.) I ask a serious question and I get a sarcastic reply. That's a great way to have a productive conversation. The proponents of this BOF are following the community's documented procedures [1]. What I'm hearing is that there is a underlying problem with the adequacy of those procedures. Maybe it would be more productive to update the procedures to include different guidance on just how far in advance people should be sending public announcements and where those announcements should be sent. The public announcement, sent Friday 10 February: http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg40478.html List described in a follow-up: http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg40481.html Yes, I do understand that these are the messages that you are claiming should have been sent earlier. We're just going to have to disagree about that. By the way, the IESG has started talking about the idea of automatically sending public announcements when new mailing lists like this one are created. That would be a good step forward. -Scott- [1] http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1bof-procedures.txt http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2418.txt _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf