Dave Crocker writes: > There is a basic difference between preventing the expression of an opinion, > idea or the like, versus preventing what is effectively a denial of service > attack on the conduct of group business. Yes. A denial of service attack is a technical attack on a server or network that effectively halts or dramatically interferes with normal traffic or transactions. An expression of an opinion or idea never does this. > An organization like the IETF absolutely MUST encourage the former. But it > cannot survive any sustained amount of the latter. Well, when the mailing list receives 200 messages a second from the same source, certainly it can take action. There are laws against that sort of DoS in most jurisdictions. > Yes, one can no doubt construct all sorts of scenarios that are in a gray area > between the two. No, there's no gray area between the two. It's pretty easy to see when a network is down or a server is stalled because of a DoS attack, and it has nothing in common with an expression of opinion or ideas. > In other words, the excesses that constitute a "violation" need to > be huge. No, they just need to be true DoS attacks, not expressions of unpopular opinions that are being falsely characterized as DoS attacks in order to rationalize censorship. > It is difficult to imagine any reasonable person looking at the > particulars of the current case and having even the slightest doubt > that things are far, far beyond any possible gray area. I don't see any DoS. I don't think anyone expressing an opinion can type fast enough to create one. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf