That is solving the problem for ourselves only. 802.11 is a classic case of what happens when unfinished technology is thrown at consumers. Think about VLSI manufacture, thirty or so production steps each with a finite chance of error. If you have a 5% error rate at each stage your overall yield drops to 20% Computers are much more complex than VLSI manufacture, the explanations of the technology are much worse than 95% accurate. All my hardware is allegedly capable of doing WPA or 801.X. I have not got the slightest idea what I would have to do to enable it though, or how it would work, or what the authentication process would be. It is unfortunate that the cryptographic failures in WEP obscured the much more significant usability failures. The wireless world still does not 'get' it. The result is that 70% of wireless access points are open and can be used by Internet criminals to achieve anonymous access. > -----Original Message----- > From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Ed Juskevicius > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:26 PM > To: Marshall Eubanks; Harald Tveit Alvestrand > Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: Wireless at IETF > > In addition to the content suggested below, I think a few > words on "Why ad-hoc mode is BAD during IETF meetings" should > also be included. Not everyone knows the issues caused by > ad-hoc mode (e.g. newbie attendees). > > Regards and Happy New Year ... > > Ed > > -----Original Message----- > From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Marshall Eubanks > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 4:39 PM > To: Harald Tveit Alvestrand > Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Wireless at IETF > > > I think (and suggested to the IAOC) that there should be an > information sheet and / or web site for each meeting with > information on how to determine Ad Hoc Mode, how to turn it > off, etc., for all major OS choices. > > Regards > Marshall > > > On Jan 15, 2006, at 4:10 PM, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: > > > Tangential: > > At the IEEE meeting following the IETF, someone asked me "how do I > > turn off ad hoc mode". > > > > I was hard put to find an answer for Windows XP with the standard > > drivers (I use 2000 and a Cisco driver kit). > > > > Suggestion: Make instructions *with screenshots* of how to > turn off ad > > hoc mode on Windows XP available at the next IETF. > > > > Harald > > > > > > --On søndag, januar 15, 2006 15:23:01 -0500 Henning Schulzrinne > > <hgs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > >> http://www.nmrc.org/pub/present/shmoocon-2006-sn.ppt > describes what > >> seems to explain the appearance of IETF6x named > computer-to-computer > >> wireless networks at IETF meetings. Apparently, there is a > feature > >> that > >> has systems automatically advertise the last AP SSID after > >> (involuntary) > >> disconnection. The slides are skimpy on details, but > provide a bit > >> more background than the usual "turn of ad-hoc mode" > exhortations at > >> IETF meetings. > >> > >> Henning > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ietf mailing list > >> Ietf@xxxxxxxx > >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ietf mailing list > > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf