RE: Working Group chartering

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At 12:55 PM 1/10/2006 -0500, Burger, Eric wrote:
Also, I am a big proponent of microeconomics, which would have rational
actors only put forth and push stuff clearly needed for products.
HOWEVER, in the "highest" IETF fashion, I've regularly seen multiple
folks from the same company arguing against each other in the working
groups.

Now, which company does this sound like?

I would have much more appreciated their working out their
differences at home and bring in their 'corporate' position :)

I do hope you're not even remotely serious with this suggestion...


Likewise, often I see folks bring something that "needs to be solved" to
the IETF.  This can generate lots of interest, especially if the person
with the problem is a customer.  However, that still doesn't mean the
solution space is in the realm of the IETF.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gray, Eric [mailto:Eric.Gray@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:03 PM
To: Burger, Eric
Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Working Group chartering

Eric,

--- [SNIP ---
--> IMHO, *way* too many I*E*TF work groups get chartered based on
--> an idea. We then spend tons of resources on figuring out if the
--> idea will work. We produce lots of half-baked documents with
--> little basis in working code.  Then folks try implementing
--> what's been spec'ed, find it doesn't work, but then find a ton
--> of resistance to change, because the specs are three years old
--> and "we don't want to break draft-mumble-05 implementations."
-->
--> If something is an idea, let's make it politically acceptable
--> for the "work" to be done in the I*R*TF first.
-->
--- [SNIP] ---

I think this is a gross mischaraterization of current practice in
the IETF generally - however many exceptions we might find.

Usually - at least among those of us that work for a living - we
would not bring something to the IETF unless we were already in
the process of implementing it and we have been encouraged by our
employers (or - indirectly - by our customers) to bring it to the
IETF.

When people bring ideas to the IETF that "seem like a good thing"
but aren't practical or implementable at the current time, they
are usually encouraged to take those ideas to the IRTF.

--
Eric

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