Happy New Year to all! Many thanks to Yaakov for his excellent handling of the list discussion. I'm not very surprised with the way it has gone. Déjà vu all over again :-) The challenge is to focus the discussion to try to reach consensus on moving forward with a process change, i.e., we need to take baby steps to make progress. I'd suggest we try to reach consensus first on the following: Alternative format(s) for IDs, in addition to ASCII text, should be allowed. One requirement/motivation for this change (as set forth in the ID) is to be able to include drawings and diagrams with something much more flexible than ASCII art. Based on the prior discussion of 'ASCII art', and the current discussion, I see few people arguing that ASCII text is all we need and that no other formats should ever be allowed. Let's set aside for now which format(s), and take that as a later step if we can take this first step. Thanks, Regards, Jerry ________________________________ From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yaakov Stein Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 12:37 AM To: ietf@xxxxxxxx Subject: Alternative formats for IDs Happy new year to everyone. I would like to call your attention to a new ID http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ash-alt-formats-00.txt. This ID is the result of discussions here on the general list, and proposes the use of formats other than plain ASCII for IDs and RFCs. In particular, it proposes the allowance of diagrams other than "ASCII-art" as normative. The authors felt that further discussion on the list would not be productive, but that the writing of an ID might force more serious consideration. We furthermore suggest that this ID be advanced as a BCP under the process for process change. Y(J)S _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf