Hi - In http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ash-alt-formats-00.txt section 3 says: | Furthermore, the authors propose that the IESG carefully consider | declaring consensus in support of the change even if a large number | of 'nays' are posted to the IESG discussion list. I object to this text, as it might (mis)lead the reader into thinking that the methods for declaring consensus were being modified, particularly if this document somehow became a BCP. To deal with this issue, I suggest the removal of the following material from section 3: | Furthermore, the authors propose that the IESG carefully consider | declaring consensus in support of the change even if a large number | of 'nays' are posted to the IESG discussion list. In that regard, | Henrik Levkowetz posted the following comment | (http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg39170.html): | | "Following the debate from the sideline till now, it's clear to me | that there are at least a few people who are adamantly against | change. I'm not at all convinced that a large majority feels this | way. A poll might reveal more than the relative proportions of | highly engaged people voicing their views here." | | Judging consensus through a poll is sometimes difficult. There is a | vast "silent majority" that would support the proposed additional | formats, or at least not oppose them, but will not express their | opinion on the list. It is much more likely to hear from the very | vocal people who are opposed to the change. That is, assuming 1000s | of participants on the IETF discussion list, perhaps 20 expressed | 'nays', even strong nays, could be considered a clear consensus in | favor of change. Randy _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf