You'll need to work very hard to get the WG action items completed by April 1, 2006. --> -----Original Message----- --> From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] --> On Behalf Of Peter Dambier --> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 5:32 AM --> To: JFC (Jefsey) Morfin --> Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx; Hadmut Danisch --> Subject: Pro SPAM WG: How security could benefit from high --> volume spam --> --> A WG? --> --> Karin and me are interested. --> --> JFC (Jefsey) Morfin wrote: --> > At 23:10 14/12/2005, Hadmut Danisch wrote: --> > --> >> On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 04:46:42PM +0100, Frank Ellermann wrote: --> >> > --> >> > The best way to hide a signal is noise, is that's your idea ? --> >> > Makes sense from my POV. --> >> --> >> --> >> Not necessarily the _best_ way, but one that works under many --> >> circumstances. --> >> Some questions are: --> >> How do we deal with the total surveillance? --> >> Do anti-spam measures make surveillance easier? --> --> No, I dont want to bash the one and only root again, but never did I --> receive any SPAM an my peter@xxxxxxxx address. --> --> This too could improve our position. Which root does the --> guy use - or --> has he simply freaked his /etc/hosts? --> --> Hadmut, I agree with your idea and I switched my spam --> filter off from all --> my GMX mail accounts. They are worthless anyhow, because I --> permanently --> have to read the spam folder to find lost emails. I still --> have to fight --> sorbs, because they dont even accept my own emails from my host --> echnaton.serveftp.com wich has a dynamic ip. --> --> > --> > --> > Hadmut, --> > not much success with your suggestion! Too much European --> centric at the --> > moment. Your proposition is of real interest as part of a --> picture to --> > study the noise as a general protection (conflicting --> information, spam, --> > revamping web sites 1000 times a day, meta-spam, tags, --> EUCD, civilrights --> > protection, bandwidth cost, site legal registration, --> multiligualism, --> > debate orientation, etc.). The French law related debate --> make it very --> > interesting, and important, however too complex for --> current users at --> > this time. This fits the interests I have in the --> emergence of an "over --> > the ISO layers" Internet through a grassroots process. --> How to use the --> > Internet? But the IAB discuss list leads to nothing. --> --> The French law made me move the sources from IASON --> --> http://iason.site.voila.fr/ --> http://www.kokoom.com/iason/ --> --> to sourceforge. I dont want to fight the music industry --> with a law I dont --> even understand. IASON has nothing to do with music but it --> has to do with --> copyright. --> --> > --> > Why not to try to shape a WG Charter on this? I do not --> believe the IESG --> > is able to follow. But when I see all the ICANN, IETF, --> Unicode, etc. --> > meetings, publications, etc. etc. about --> "internationalization", partly --> > to oppose my long enough opposition which permitted me to --> reach Tunis. --> > One could expect that Brussels could be interested at the --> end of the --> > day. And if the IESG does not follow, we will have made --> our duty, before --> > going elsewhere? I do not think that the balkanization --> they impose on us --> > is a good thing. --> > --> > jfc --> > --> --> Karin and me helped building two balkan DNS roots. Why not --> do something --> serious now :) --> --> Cheers --> Peter and Karin --> --> --> -- --> Peter and Karin Dambier --> The Public-Root Consortium --> Graeffstrasse 14 --> D-64646 Heppenheim --> +49(6252)671-788 (Telekom) --> +49(179)108-3978 (O2 Genion) --> mail: peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --> mail: peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --> http://iason.site.voila.fr --> http://www.peter-dambier.de --> http://peter-dambier.site.voila.fr --> --> --> _______________________________________________ --> Ietf mailing list --> Ietf@xxxxxxxx --> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf --> _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf