Given the behavior of many IETF participants, QOS-based routing protocol design might very well be a kindergarten exercise. --> -----Original Message----- --> From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx --> [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of --> Dave Crocker --> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 12:09 PM --> To: Steven M. Bellovin --> Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx --> Subject: Re: from the horse's mouth --> --> --> --> --> --> > Very much so. In my opinion, a very high percentage of security --> > problems are due to UI failure as well. (When I was an --> AD, I tried to --> > get an evaluation of one (IMHO ghastly) document from a --> CHI expert. --> > But he had no time, and said that the general area had never been --> > studied due to lack of time.) --> --> --> Mix variable system performance, with cognitive psychology, --> with bell-curve --> statistical distribution of behaviors, and the challenges --> for good usability --> design make QOS-based routing protocol design (and --> operation) look like a --> kindergarten exercise. --> --> It is one of the very good reasons that the IETF has done --> well to keep --> almost completely away from that realm. As a community, we --> lack the --> expertise, and even the experts often lack the expertise. --> --> The idea that random folk, like technical writers would --> have any particular --> clues about Interaction Design further highlights how far --> we are from --> wanting to deal with this topic. --> --> d/ --> --> -- --> --> Dave Crocker --> Brandenburg InternetWorking --> <http://bbiw.net> --> --> _______________________________________________ --> Ietf mailing list --> Ietf@xxxxxxxx --> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf --> _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf