JFC (Jefsey) Morfin writes... > Describing this way the key societal matters at hand > certainly shows the IETF is not interested/competent and does not > intend to invest in them. I agree, and I see others who seem to concur, that human behavior is of legitimate concern in systems design, and therefore in protocol design. When we consider typical, individual human behavior it is often called Human Factors Design, or more generally user-friendly design. Consideration of human behavior in the aggregate, i.e. social issues, is different. While I haven't followed this general thread (the IETF is ignorant, insensitive and ethnocentric) carefully, it seems that the subjects of debate surround what natural languages we support in our protocols, and who gets to own or control what set of Internet resources (addresses, names, bandwidth, access, etc). This is more in the realm of international geo-politics. I think that the IETF SHOULD be concerned with Human Factors Design issues in its work products, as well as some level of support for multiple natural languages (or at least providing for a level playing field). As to all the other issues, which I lump into the categories of international politics and national strategic interests, I don't think the IETF is the right place to address these issues. Good engineering discipline is largely orthogonal to these political concerns, IMHO. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf