Mr. Chair, 2005/10/29, Brian E Carpenter <brc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: > Eduardo Mendez wrote: > > I understand why IETF fears local governments for their meetings. > > I simply do not understand this statement. The IETF has no > concerns about governments, and we often have people in government > service who attend our meetings. They are as welcome as any other > engineer. The discussion is about chosing countries. The proposition is that ITEF can discuss free. There is a problem only if IETF fears some Governments. > > What IETF discuss may hurt thir people, peace, culture. > > But I am sure IETF Member do not realize this? > > If they were told they would understand. > > What people do with technology may have good or bad effects. > That is well understood by all technologists, I think. > But this is not the place to discus the social impact > of our technology. What IETF decides, decides for the users. Impact is after a decision. Can result from technical choices. OK. Can result from disguised political choices. This should not be possible. How to make sure? > > Why not to invite local people free? > > Because our meetings are working meetings of engineers. > Local people can contribute just like anybody else, but > then they have to pay their fair share of our costs. I did not pay for ICANN meetings. If you want local people be interested do like ICANN. Otherwise why to move around? Tourism? IETF is technical. > > Why not to coordinate with local ISOC Chapters? > > Local ISOC members are as welcome to attend the IETF > as anyone else. To my knowledge, ISOC France organized > an evening activity during the Paris IETF, for example. For everyone!? Many say they want to know - the weather, - the security, - the governement, - the rates, - the visas, - the liberty, - the local network, - a good hotel - etc. I am sure that ISOC could help. > > IETF is to be part of the real world. > > I think it has been exactly that for almost 20 years. This is not what I want to say. I want to say: one is always better with local help and friends. Good meeting in Vancouver. Eduardo Mendez _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf