John, I believe that most people agree with you - in general - including myself. The issue would be a dead thing (may already be a dead thing) if the IETF Secretariat (or somone) hands out a guide- line to IETF meeting organizers - and plans to continue to do so whatever happens with this RFC. Having never organized an IETF meeting myself, I do not know this happens, even now. Knowing how the IETF works, however, I cannot escape the notion that this RFC might actually be intended to serve that purpose. If that is the case, and the IETF Secretariat (or whoever) is planning to hand out a reference (or copy) of this RFC - in lieue of anything they may already be passing out - to meeting sponsors, or sponsor-candidates, then I think a lot of people are wrong about what should not be in this RFC. -- Eric --> -----Original Message----- --> From: John Loughney [mailto:john.loughney@xxxxxxxxxxx] --> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 5:22 AM --> To: Gray, Eric --> Cc: jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'ietf@xxxxxxxx' --> Subject: Re: RE: IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria - --> Other health --> risks --> --> --> Eric, --> --> Things vary country to country. You can get contradictory --> information based upon what country you are currently in & --> what one you are traveling to. Having lived abroad a --> number of years, I have gotten 'official' but contradictory --> information about vacinations, etc. depending upon the --> source. This is not something we need to cover in any kind --> of RFC, IMO. --> --> John --> > --> > From: "Gray, Eric" <Eric.Gray@xxxxxxxxxxx> --> > Date: 2005/10/24 Mon PM 06:50:09 EEST --> > To: "'John Loughney'" <john.loughney@xxxxxxxxxxx> --> > CC: jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "'ietf@xxxxxxxx'" <ietf@xxxxxxxx> --> > Subject: RE: IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria - --> Other health risks --> > --> > John, --> > --> > Cover it or not, I certainly hope that meeting organizers --> > take these things into account. Visiting some countries can --> > make it impossible to visit others, at least for a certain time. --> > For example, many Asian countries will not grant a visa to any --> > body who has been in Africa recently. Or at least this used to --> > be the case... --> > --> > Also, it is irresponsible for anyone to organize a meeting --> > in a country where innoculation is required for entry without --> > making an announcement - or including that information in other --> > announcements - to that effect. I can well imagine that such an --> > announcement can be expected to prevent some people from going --> > to such a meeting. --> > --> > -- --> > Eric Gray --> > --> > --> -----Original Message----- --> > --> From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx --> > --> [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of --> > --> John Loughney --> > --> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 1:42 AM --> > --> To: jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ietf@xxxxxxxx --> > --> Subject: Re: IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria - Other --> > --> health risks --> > --> --> > --> --> > --> I believe this to be over specification, I don't think we --> > --> should cover this. --> > --> > --> > --> > From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> --> > --> > Date: 2005/10/22 Sat AM 03:16:37 EEST --> > --> > To: "ietf@xxxxxxxx" <ietf@xxxxxxxx> --> > --> > Subject: IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria - Other --> > --> health risks --> > --> > --> > --> > Elwyn raised an interesting point in my opinion: --> > --> > --> > --> > Even if visas are not required, are there any health --> > --> checks at immigration ? --> > --> > Would participants need vaccinations before attending ? --> > --> > --> > --> > My conclusion is: --> > --> > --> > --> > It should be considered as a handicap if there is any --> > --> high risk of health --> > --> > impact for the participants (such as malaria or other --> > --> infections or --> > --> > mandatory health checks at immigration). 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