Hi Avri, While I personally agree with all this, I'm not sure we should go so far as strict MUST NOT ... Reading the rest of the comments, I think the conclusions are something like (not necessarily contiguous text in a single place in the document, so needs to be coherently integrated): The productivity of working groups in IETF meetings is very important, this means that the "ideal" venue should try to facilitate good participation from frequent WG contributors and lots of local participation (newbies which often want to participate again in the future and become our next generation of contributors). The working environment should enable to do our business without too much hassle. For instance, toughness of visa criteria and/or length of process, excluded contributors are factors. The average time required to apply for & issue a visitor visa suitable for a short-term visit for the IETF business need to confirmed. If is not predictable in advance and measurable in small numbers of months, that itself is a barrier to participation to be seriously considered, together with the cost of that process. Special considerations must be made by the IAD in case the visa requirements are so stringent as to make it impossible or even extremely difficult for some participants to attend. The rotation of locations for the increased participation of new people is also very important. Is expected that the country hosting the IETF meeting should not restrict the participants freedom of expression, for example by blocking web sites or redirecting dns which may be required during the meeting for usual participants business, censoring of personal communications, blocking of VPN/SSH and other similar practices. It is also a barrier to be seriously considered if local participants attending the IETF could be under pressure to support national technical policies on threat of imprisonment or other punitive actions, for their opinions. Finally, it should be possible for local participants to attend the meeting without any special government approval. Otherwise, the venue does not support the increased local participation, which is one of the goals for this criteria. Comments ? Regards, Jordi > De: Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx> > Responder a: <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> > Fecha: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:58:32 -0400 > Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > CC: "ietf@xxxxxxxx" <ietf@xxxxxxxx> > Asunto: Re: IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria > > > Hi, > > I think there needs to be some mention of requirements such as: > > - MUST NOT be held in a country whose visa requirements are so > stringent as to make it impossible or even extremely difficult for > some participant to attend. > > - MUST NOT be held in a country with restrictions on freedom of > expression, especially if these extend to the blocking of web sites > or any other censuring of personal communications. > > - MUST NOT be held in a country were local participants would be > under pressure to support national technical policies on threat of > imprisonment or other punitive actions, for their opinions. > > - MUST NOT be held in a country were local participants would need > government approval to attend. > > a. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ************************************ The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Barcelona 2005 Global IPv6 Summit Information available at: http://www.ipv6-es.com This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf