I very much doubt that this would be an issue in practice. >From an anti-censorship point of view I would much rather that the IETF visit countries where the Internet is controlled. I doubt for a moment that the authorities in any country would be so obliging as to allow several thousand networking experts to map out their security controls. > -----Original Message----- > From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of "DENG, HUI -HCHBJ" > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:23 PM > To: Ole Jacobsen; Melinda Shore > Cc: jianping@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Avri Doria; ietf@xxxxxxxx; JORDI > PALET MARTINEZ; wuhq@xxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria > > > > - MUST NOT be held in a country whose visa requirements are so > > > stringent as to make it impossible or even extremely > difficult for > > > some participant to attend. > > > > > > - MUST NOT be held in a country with restrictions on freedom of > > > expression, especially if these extend to the blocking of > web sites > > > or any other censuring of personal communications. > > > > > > - MUST NOT be held in a country were local participants would be > > > under pressure to support national technical policies on > threat of > > > imprisonment or other punitive actions, for their opinions. > > > > > > - MUST NOT be held in a country were local participants > would need > > > government approval to attend. > > >The "restrictions on freedom of expression" is a little more > tricky and > >one could argue that the IETF should not be in the business > of trying > >to change policy at that level. China comes to mind as a > place we could > >not go by this rule, but a lot of people seem to belive that > >"constructive engagement" is more successful than boycott. > > Please allow me speak something personally, > > I come from Beijing China, continuously attended IETF > meeting six times. (freshman), hosted Chinese participants > parties each time. There are more than 40 chinese attendees > made a getting together in last IETF Paris Meeting right > after Technical Plenary on thursday. > > This February, we hosted a workshop which is related to IETF > MIP6,MIP4, NEMO working group. > http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mip6/current/msg02353.html > In Feb. 2006, we are currently planing to continue to host > this workshop which is related to IETF more working groups. > If you are interested in help to bridge between IETF and China. > Please don't hesitate to contact with us. > > Regarding to " Blocked sites, redirected dns, registration > and arrest of bloggers etc" > I already have to explain too many times with people who come > from IETF to China. > What I asked is just one question " Do you have any problem > to visit any website or using VPN in China". > The answer what I heard is just "No", What I recommend is > please come to China and see what she really is other than > judgement based on other'other'other peoples talking. > > I understand some people who come from freedom country would > like to visit both "Anti-China website and terrorist", then > there will be not reachable, in that case what I can suggest > is " Please be patient just only 1 week (IETF meeting time), > after you return back to your freedom country, please > continue to do Anti-China acitivity as you like. > > This weekend, Formula 1 will be held in Shanghai, China > http://www.formula1.com/ > > Next next week, 3GPP2 meeting will be held in Beijing, China. > Others like 3GPP, and ITU, OMA, IEEE intermediate meeting > were already held in China. > > 2008 Olmpic Game, Beijing, China > http://en.beijing-2008.org/33/28/homepage211612833.shtml > > 2010 World Expo, Shanghai, China > http://www.expo2010china.com/expo/english/eu/index.html > > Then my question goes to "why IETF could not come to China?" > > If IETF think that China is too poor and technology is pretty > lag behind, I agree and accept, but we chinese really > expected that more help could come from IETF to change ours life. > > Shall we make a more "constructive engagement" > > Thanks > > -Hui > > Disclaimer: > The contents of this e-mail, and its attachments, if any, are > confidential and may be protected by law against any > unauthorized use. 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