I like Wikis, I also think they have some significant problems. I like the Wiki text markup functions better for manual entry than HTML. On the other hand they give even more scope for loonies and trolls. The point I am trying to make here is that 80% of the list traffic is being driven by two disciplinary issues. It might help some people's blood pressure to remember that we are using a strongly sub-optimal collaboration tool here. I think we should look at new collaboration tools, for example has anyone tried using a wiki to maintain an issues list? This is meant to be a technology organization. If we do not try out new stuff why should we expect Internet users to? > -----Original Message----- > From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Scott W Brim > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 11:08 AM > To: ietf@xxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Beyond conflict > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 03:17:56PM -0400, Michael StJohns allegedly > wrote: > > At 02:43 PM 10/10/2005, you wrote: > > >Michael StJohns wrote: > > >>Jabber room dedicated for the specific discussion. > > > > > > > > >im systems do not have threading, nor is it clear how threading > > >could/should be done. -- > > > > E.g. Jabber room for discussion on foo, jabber room for > discussion on > > bar, etc. > > > > The key is that Jabber rooms can be created pretty much on the fly > > without requiring subscriptions and have tools such as > archiving (e.g. > > I can still get the discussion from last ietf on dnsext). > > > > So "Let's take this discussion to beyondconflict@xxxxxxxxxxx Live > > discussion at 11am daily edt, but feel free to place > comments at any > > time." for example. > > > > I haven't a clue if this will work - but that's a cultural > discussion > > not a technical discussion best resolved by experimentation. > > I suggest one or more Wikis. We know the problems of mail. > We know the problems of instantaneous "discussion". In > between you have Wikis, which allow time for contemplation > before posting, archives with rather interesting > non-hierarchical interconnection of posts, no need to > create/destroy mailing lists, RSS, etc. > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf