Voice conference calls - however done - are bound to be better than E-Mail, just as face to face is better than voice. However, "I haven't been heard" phenomena are far from unique to E-Mail and other text based communication and can happen even with face-to-face communication. The difference is that - with text based communication - it is possible that what you've said will _eventually_ get noticed... -- Eric --> -----Original Message----- --> From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx --> [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of --> Hallam-Baker, Phillip --> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 1:05 AM --> To: Harald Tveit Alvestrand; Michael StJohns --> Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx --> Subject: RE: Beyond conflict --> --> --> --> --> > -----Original Message----- --> > From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On --> > Behalf Of Harald Tveit Alvestrand --> --> > --On tirsdag, oktober 11, 2005 07:23:08 -0700 --> "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" --> > <pbaker@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: --> > --> > > Instant messaging and jabber may well be worsening the --> problem. The --> > > channel is more interactive than email but it has the same --> > problem of --> > > cutting out nuace and non-verbal cues. --> > --> > Open Internet-based conference calls? --> > --> > <ducks> --> --> They work in OASIS. Everyone knows they have to have their stuff --> together for the next con-call in two weeks time. --> --> It cuts down a lot on shouting matches. It means that --> loonies peddling --> incomprehensible schemes can be pursuaded that their idea --> has been heard --> and rejected. The problem with email is you never know if --> anyone read --> it. So some people conclude that the reason their idea is --> not finding --> favor is they have not posted it enough. --> --> --> _______________________________________________ --> Ietf mailing list --> Ietf@xxxxxxxx --> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf --> _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf