Can someone explain what is this? Is it issued by the IESG? Is this a procecussion? Where is the defense of Dean? Has the Last Call started? When does it finish? I am very confused. Eduardo Mendez > > The IESG received a request from Dave Crocker to take action under RFC > > 3683 against Dean Anderson. Mr Crocker alleged disruption of the IETF > > and DNSEXT lists and provided sample emails [4]. In addition, Dean > > Anderson was recently warned by David Kessens [2], Operations & > > Management Area Director, that a recent posting on the DNSOP working > > group mail list was not acceptable after which he responded to the > > DNSOP list by sending a brief message but with a similar accusation as > > the one he was warned not to repeat. > > > > While these messages alone might not suffice to justify action, Mr > > Anderson has repeatedly posted, before and since, on these and other > > IETF lists, messages that refer offensively to individuals or > > organizations [1]. For a small sample of such messages, we refer to > > the urls provided at the bottom of this Last Call message. > > > > Many of them are off topic for the IETF, since the IETF can only > > produce general technical recommendations for operators; it may not > > criticise individual operators or tell them how to conduct their > > business. We wish to make it clear that quarrels and disagreements > > between software suppliers, operators and the like have no place in > > the IETF and must be discussed and settled elsewhere. > > > > Although sometimes Mr Anderson's messages address technical topics, > > this is not enough to excuse the frequent offensiveness. He has been > > warned to desist from offensive postings multiple times and has often > > ignored such warnings [2,3]. > > > > The IESG therefore proposes to ban Dean Anderson from posting to the > > main IETF list and to authorize all WG chairs to ban him from posting > > to their working group lists. This message calls for comments on this > > proposed action from the IETF, which should be sent to iesg@xxxxxxxx > > (or ietf@xxxxxxxx) by 06 November 2005. > > > > For the IESG, > > > > David Kessens > > Operations & Management Area Director > > --- > > > > Please see below for a sample of abusive behavior on maillists: > > > > [1] Personal attack on Bill Strahm and alleges that Rob Austein > > defames av8 Internet: > > > > http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg37889.html > > > > IETF management is accused of harassment and it is stated that > > Stephen Sprunk is untrustworthy (end of message). In addition, the > > message implies that David Kessens is the responsible Area > > Director for dnsext, while this working group is part of the INT area: > > > > http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg37931.html > > > > Dean uses a very unpleasant tone to make it clear to David Kessens > > that he doesn't agree with him and adds another attack by twisting > > Steven Bellovin's own words and smearing Steven Bellovin's > > reputation: > > > > http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg37873.html > > > > (Dean apperently referred to: > > http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg37557.html) > > > > > > Please see below for a sample of messages that ignore requests to Dean > > Anderson to stop his disruptive behavior: > > > > [2] Example of an attack on a well known organization on the dnsop list: > > > > Dean Anderson attacks a well known root name server operator and > > talks about uncontrolled corruption in the IETF: > > > > http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/msg03551.html > > > > Message by David Kessens to Dean Anderson that warns him not to > > bring up any issues he apparently has with a well known root name > > server operator: > > > > http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/msg03552.html > > > > Dean's response in which he reaffirms his accusations towards the > > well known root name server operator: > > > > http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/msg03553.html > > > > > > [3] Dean alleges that some IETF participants are liars > > http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg36027.html > > > > Brian Carpenter warns not to continue allegations about liars > > http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg36034.html > > > > Dean continues discussion on the list > > http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg36087.html > > > > > > [4] Materials provided by Dave Crocker to support his request (IETF and > > dnsext list): > > > > Dean continues to discuss topic that was declared off-topic by > > working group chair: > > > > http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg37550.html > > > > Dave's response on part of Dean's mail: > > > > http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg37554.html > > > > Two messages by other participants who continue to discuss Dean's > > point: > > > > http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg37555.html > > http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg37557.html > > > > Personal attack on Dave Crocker (and attack on Paul Vixie) by > > Dean. In addition his message does not substantiate his earlier > > claims about IPR: > > > > http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg37560.html > > > > Dean launches a personal attack on Steven Bellovin: > > > > http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg37561.html > > > _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf