On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 01:48:03AM -0400, Dean Anderson wrote: > Since when are _true_ facts about liars on a subject (open relays) > discussed in an IETF RFC, egregious? Is it against list policy to assert > that the IETF should be honest, and not associate with liars? I missed > that part. Perhaps you could be so kind as to point it out? Dean, I would suggest to you that calling someone a "liar" could be considered by some a personal attack. More importantly, though, it generally causes people to simply ignore you as a rabble-rousing troll, and to ignore everything else that you write. If it were not for my responsibility as a "sargeat-at-arms", I would have added you to my kill file long ago, not because you get me angry, but because most of what you write is simply not worth my time to read. Calling someone a "lair" is making a claim that they are knowingly stating a falsehood. However, making assumptions about another person's motivations is never a good thing to do if you are trying to promote conversation. They may have observed a different set of facts in their geography or in the circles they frequent; they may see a few cases which you consider to be highly important which they classify as unimportant exceptions; they may simply be mistaken. Instead of writing a treatise about lairs and defamtion law, it would have helped moved the debate forward if you had written what you have observed, why you think it is an important indicator, and what you think people should consider, in a calm, reasonable tone of voice, without questioning other people's motivations, ethics, or morals. But if you don't care about helping out the IETF, please consider doing it because it will make it more likely that people will chose to read what you write, instead of simply deleting or autodeleting all e-mail messages from you. It is in _your_ interest to post in a more reasonable, more moderate fashion. Regards, - Ted _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf