> _However_ if some rogue group comes along (and I hope that we > are a long distance from where Larry Roberts would be considered > a "rogue group", even though I have disagreed about some things > he has advocated in the past and may do so in the future) and > has the resources and commitment to deploy an IP option, I think > we need to register it to protect the community from the bad > option, not pretend that not registering it will somehow prevent > them from deploying their ideas. > > And then, if we are convinced the idea is bad enough, we need to > do what _will_ prevent the bad idea from being actively used, > which is to do, and write up the analysis of why it is bad and > what problems it will cause. > > But the notion that the IETF can prevent something from > happening or being deployed by declining to register it, or by > turning our collective backs on it without any real explanation > -- even at the waist of the hourglass-- is, in this world, just > delusional. And, if that delusion prevents the IETF community > from explaining, carefully and in public why the idea is a bad > one, then it is we who are putting the Internet at risk. Basically I think we need to do whatever will be most effective at discouraging the bad idea. If that means any of the following: - not registering the idea, or - registering the idea and clearly marking it as bad, or - delaying registration of the idea until such time as it can be improved or the harm can be limited, any of those are fine with me. Circumstances vary from one case to another, and according to how bad the idea is, and the best action in one case might not be the best in another. So basically I think we need to leave such decisions to the discretion of a well-informed group of people, e.g. the IESG. I do think the IESG should solicit community input on the proposal, but I don't think the Internet community would be well served by criteria that insisted that we register any IP extension that someone proposed. And if IESG makes mistakes, well, that's what the appeals process is for. Keith _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf