Harald, Your mail prompted me to write a mail I have been contemplating (but I'm actually sending this via my phone, so I'm keeping this brief). What is a wg chairs job? I can think of several tasks: 1) cheerleader (go wg, go!) 2) mediator (Mr. x, you need a time-out!) 3) task manager (draft-foobar is 1.8 weeks late.) 4) key contributor (I think the header field should be 2.1 bytes long.) 5) big-picture type (the internet needs a protocols for signaling morality.) With the above tasks, chairs can be active or more reactive, sometimes depending upon the situation. What I thinks is needed, however, is that the chair and the ad cooperate well and have a good understanding of how things are working. I also think that while we can blame the IESG or the wg chair, but I think a key point we've often overlooked is the ad-chair relationship. If a chair knows what the ad reaction will be when sending a draft to the IESG, then this may help avoid the late suprise, Also, if an ad knows what is happening (roughly) in a wg, then they can help provide some insight into ho to get things unstuck. I thinks this calls for the ads and chairs to be in touch and discussing things frequently, even chair reviews by the IESGs (say once a year) and maybe even joint wg status reviews. John L. _____ Original message _____ Subject: Simplistic metrics Re: WG management Author: "Harald Tveit Alvestrand" <harald@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: 21st June 2005 10:34:48 AM --On 20. juni 2005 07:39 -0500 Spencer Dawkins <spencer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Two related problems here, as you pointed out in another posting - when > the WG is only active for six weeks per year, and when the WG chair is > only active for nine weeks per year. I don't see how we can focus on this > with our current milestone tracking ("no, really, we'll finish that draft > by the NEXT meeting, this time for sure"), so your comments in the > "front-end delays" thread apply here as well. Let me offer a simplistic metric..... if a WG chair has posted nothing to the WG mailing list for a week, and that WG chair has not told the WG he's on holiday, that WG chair is probably not doing his/her job. If NOBODY's posted to the WG mailing list for a week, it's time to close the WG. Harald _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf